jim's courage for where he stand on where he thinks we need to go. i don't always agree with him. i think it will be go do in history as trying to redirect us back toward our limited government. i think he has a lot of courage that way. so, you know, i have admiration for a lot of different aspects far lot of different people in the senate. i see their positive qualities. just like they see my negative and positive qualities. butt assumption -- but the assumption is on those that i mentioned i think are thinking long-term not short term. i think that's a problem for us in the senate. we need to think about what the the outcomes ten years from now not about the political career. >> host: in breach of trust you talk us through the 1997 attempt against speaker gingrich. you mentioned friends over there, john, sue -- >> guest: sue is wonderful lady. she's leaving congress. she's a lame ducker right now. just a stellar individual with a -- knows what she believes. willing to stance on principle regardless what it costs her. john it was interesting to -- his wife got pregnant with twins.